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	<title>Comments on: Check, Mates</title>
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		<title>By: INDEPENDENT NEEDLEWORK NEWS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DKR: The Saga Continues</title>
		<link>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-612</link>
		<dc:creator>INDEPENDENT NEEDLEWORK NEWS &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DKR: The Saga Continues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 09:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Designs on Demand aren&#8217;t happy to leave well enough alone. I thought they&#8217;d want to let my last article about them fade away into the archives, rather than call even more attention to it, but I was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Designs on Demand aren&#8217;t happy to leave well enough alone. I thought they&#8217;d want to let my last article about them fade away into the archives, rather than call even more attention to it, but I was [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
		<link>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL - good work again Heather!

I like the following line from Rick's message yesterday talking about the designers they represent:

"If we admit to lying about
paying for the graphics their trust in us could very
well vanish."

Gee - talk about cold and calculating, these guys are tying to string eveyone along - but I guess they have shown their true colors already!

I'm suprised they can use the word trust without getting struck down by something nasty :)

Your point about not getting on at the designers is fair enough - Its such a shame if they do not know the whole story (it is turning into an epic after all) but if they do I guess I have to stand by what I said, if you stand by and watch but do nothing you are condoning the trashy behaviour.

Well done again on your damn fine work!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL - good work again Heather!</p>
<p>I like the following line from Rick&#8217;s message yesterday talking about the designers they represent:</p>
<p>&#8220;If we admit to lying about<br />
paying for the graphics their trust in us could very<br />
well vanish.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gee - talk about cold and calculating, these guys are tying to string eveyone along - but I guess they have shown their true colors already!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m suprised they can use the word trust without getting struck down by something nasty <img src='http://independentneedleworknews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Your point about not getting on at the designers is fair enough - Its such a shame if they do not know the whole story (it is turning into an epic after all) but if they do I guess I have to stand by what I said, if you stand by and watch but do nothing you are condoning the trashy behaviour.</p>
<p>Well done again on your damn fine work!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Heather L. Orn</title>
		<link>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-602</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather L. Orn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-602</guid>
		<description>Deb, I'm not sure any of the designers marketed by DKR only have designs available through DKR -- that's a really good question.  I will check and post alternatives for purchasing the designers' patterns.

Joanne, in answer to your question, by definition, a lie &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; fraud.  However, since DKR only talked about asking for $300 but didn't actually go ahead and do it (and in fact, I believe they currently intend to keep the .org domain themselves), this has NOT been elevated to a criminal matter.  Whether or not DKR could be charged with extortion if they actually went ahead with this action, I don't know -- but it does sound as if Rick has watched too much of &lt;em&gt;The Sopranos&lt;/em&gt;, doesn't it? :)

Please don't fault any of the designers who may stay with Needlework Designs on Demand.  Sadly, they continue to be lied to by DKR, as evidenced by &lt;a href="http://independentneedleworknews.com/dod/1530.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this message from yesterday&lt;/a&gt;.  In it, miraculously, Rick seems not to realize that the lies I accuse DKR of are not just simple accusations, but FACTS which are PROVEN by reading DKR's own messages which I archived for you.  It's likely he just didn't bother to read my entire post; in fact, this is almost certain, since DKR still hasn't fixed their email contact address on their About Us page. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, I&#8217;m not sure any of the designers marketed by DKR only have designs available through DKR &#8212; that&#8217;s a really good question.  I will check and post alternatives for purchasing the designers&#8217; patterns.</p>
<p>Joanne, in answer to your question, by definition, a lie <em>is</em> fraud.  However, since DKR only talked about asking for $300 but didn&#8217;t actually go ahead and do it (and in fact, I believe they currently intend to keep the .org domain themselves), this has NOT been elevated to a criminal matter.  Whether or not DKR could be charged with extortion if they actually went ahead with this action, I don&#8217;t know &#8212; but it does sound as if Rick has watched too much of <em>The Sopranos</em>, doesn&#8217;t it? <img src='http://independentneedleworknews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t fault any of the designers who may stay with Needlework Designs on Demand.  Sadly, they continue to be lied to by DKR, as evidenced by <a href="http://independentneedleworknews.com/dod/1530.html" rel="nofollow">this message from yesterday</a>.  In it, miraculously, Rick seems not to realize that the lies I accuse DKR of are not just simple accusations, but FACTS which are PROVEN by reading DKR&#8217;s own messages which I archived for you.  It&#8217;s likely he just didn&#8217;t bother to read my entire post; in fact, this is almost certain, since DKR still hasn&#8217;t fixed their email contact address on their About Us page.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanne</title>
		<link>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-595</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-595</guid>
		<description>WOW - this is terrible!!! It just goes to show how damn sneaky and underhand some folks can be. I guess the initial matter of the rights to the domain name would have been a civil matter? Has this now been elevated to a criminal matter as it sure seems to me that the message below is a form of extortion?

"If we buy the new domain, I think we should tell
Margaret we are willing to purchase a new domain if
she will buy the .org domain name from us for $300.00

We can tell her that will cover the costs on the .org
site to date. Nobody can say $300.00 is too much to
ask considering the time, effort and the price of our
logo's which had to be re-done for her benefit. :)

Rick"

It seem to me to be just plain old WRONG to try to get money out of the poor people at the original site by claiming to have incurred lots of expenses - isn't this called fraud??????

I would never buy anything from this bunch of bullying petty hoodlums!!! They should be ashamed of themselves and, as for the designers who decide to stay with them, you are condoning their actions and shame on you too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW - this is terrible!!! It just goes to show how damn sneaky and underhand some folks can be. I guess the initial matter of the rights to the domain name would have been a civil matter? Has this now been elevated to a criminal matter as it sure seems to me that the message below is a form of extortion?</p>
<p>&#8220;If we buy the new domain, I think we should tell<br />
Margaret we are willing to purchase a new domain if<br />
she will buy the .org domain name from us for $300.00</p>
<p>We can tell her that will cover the costs on the .org<br />
site to date. Nobody can say $300.00 is too much to<br />
ask considering the time, effort and the price of our<br />
logo&#8217;s which had to be re-done for her benefit. <img src='http://independentneedleworknews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Rick&#8221;</p>
<p>It seem to me to be just plain old WRONG to try to get money out of the poor people at the original site by claiming to have incurred lots of expenses - isn&#8217;t this called fraud??????</p>
<p>I would never buy anything from this bunch of bullying petty hoodlums!!! They should be ashamed of themselves and, as for the designers who decide to stay with them, you are condoning their actions and shame on you too!</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-586</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentneedleworknews.com/2008/01/31/check-mates/#comment-586</guid>
		<description>Fascinating.  And not in a good way.  I am not going to be supporting this company.  It's one thing to outright build pattern swap sites, for instance (it's not legal, but no one is being fooled about the legality);  it's totally different to put on a mask and sneak around lying to and about people.

Honesty about what one is doing, and being upfront about one's actions, is vital to business and staying in business.  

Is it fair to the designer who only has patterns available through this company?  No.  But frankly, there are other ways to get your stuff published, even if it means more effort and hassle, time and expense.  

Integrity matters to a lot of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating.  And not in a good way.  I am not going to be supporting this company.  It&#8217;s one thing to outright build pattern swap sites, for instance (it&#8217;s not legal, but no one is being fooled about the legality);  it&#8217;s totally different to put on a mask and sneak around lying to and about people.</p>
<p>Honesty about what one is doing, and being upfront about one&#8217;s actions, is vital to business and staying in business.  </p>
<p>Is it fair to the designer who only has patterns available through this company?  No.  But frankly, there are other ways to get your stuff published, even if it means more effort and hassle, time and expense.  </p>
<p>Integrity matters to a lot of us.</p>
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